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1894 - 1970 (75 years)
Generation: 1
1. | Robert Herman CHRISTIAN was born 23 Sep 1894, Harman, Tazewell Co. VA (son of Robert B. (Robin) CHRISTIAN and Hester A. Williams); died 15 Jan 1970, Brooklyn, Kings Co. NY; was buried , Long Island National Cemetery, Farmingdale, Suffolk Co. NY . Notes:
CENSUS RECORDS
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Robt H Christian
Age: 5
Birth Date: Sep 1894
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1900: Bluefield, Mercer, West Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: R B Christian
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Name: Hester A Christian
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Herman R Christian
Age in 1910: 16
Birth Year: abt 1894
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1910: Bluefield Ward 2, Mercer, West Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Single
Father's Name: Robert B Christian
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Name: Hester A Christian
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
MILITARY RECORDS
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Robert Herman Christian
City: Baltimore
County: Baltimore (Independent City)
State: Maryland
Birthplace: Harman Virginia [Tazewell Co.]
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1894
Race: Caucasian (White)
Occupation: Commerical Telegraph Operator, United Press
Marital Status: Single
World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: Robert Herman Christian
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1894
Birth Place: Harman, Virginia [Tazewell Co.]
Residence: Brooklyn, New York
Race: White
Occupation: Radio Communication, Press Wireless, Inc., Brooklyn NY
Next of Kin: Mrs. Anna Christian, 866 President St., Brooklyn, NY
U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006
Name: Robert H Christian
Service Info.: SFC US ARMY WORLD WAR I
Birth Date: 23 Sep 1894
Death Date: 15 Jan 1970
Service Start Date: 5 Jul 1917
Interment Date: 19 Jan 1970
Cemetery: Long Island National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: 2040 Wellwood Avenue Farmingdale, NY 11735-1211
Buried At: Section 2d Site 1518
Buried:
Grave location:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=christian&GSfn=robert&GSiman=1&GScid=65121&GRid=82586093&
Plot: 2D 0 1518
Inscription:
US ARMY SFC WW I
Died:
Social Security Death Index a
Name: Robert Christian
SSN: 265-03-5273
Last Residence: 11238 Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Born: 23 Sep 1894
Died: Jan 1970
State (Year) SSN issued: Florida (Before 1951)
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Generation: 2
2. | Robert B. (Robin) CHRISTIAN was born 03 Mar 1848, Tazewell Co. VA (son of Thomas Scaggs CHRISTIAN and Anna Elizabeth ALTIZER); died 05 Aug 1930, Bluefield, Mercer Co. WV; was buried , Monte Vista Park Cemetery Bluefield Mercer Co. WV. Other Events:
- _UID: B96AE02033884BBDAB89BD8509A071AF2528
Notes:
CENSUS RECORDS
1850 United States Federal Census
Name: Robbin Christian
Age: 3
Birth Year: abt 1847
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1850: Western District, Tazewell, Virginia
Gender: Male [in household of Thomas Skaggs Christian]
1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Robert Christian
Age in 1860: 12
Birth Year: abt 1848
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1860: Western District, Tazewell, Virginia
Gender: Male [[in household of Thomas Skaggs Christian]
Post Office: Baptist Valley
1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Robert Christian
Age: 33
Birth Year: abt 1847
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1880: Maiden Spring, Tazewell, Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Christian
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
Occupation: Farmer
Household Members:
Robert Christian 33
Elizabeth Christian 40
Dorinda Christian 20
Florence Christian 17
Ann Eliza Christian 11
Hanah Christian 9
Jennie Christian 7
Thomas J. Christian 5
Charlotta Christian 3
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: R B Christian
Age: 52
Birth Date: Mar 1848
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1900: Bluefield, Mercer, West Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Hester A Christian
Marriage Year: 1894
Years Married: 6
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
Household Members:
R B Christian 52
Hester A Christian 42
Robt H Christian 5
Raymond D Christian 2
Virginia Altizer 26 [daughter, widowed]
Cain Christian 21 [son]
1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Robert B Christian
Age in 1910: 62
Birth Year: abt 1848
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1910: Bluefield Ward 2, Mercer, West Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Hester A Christian
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert B Christian 62
Hester A Christian 53
Herman R Christian 16
Ray D Christian 13
1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Robert B Christian
Age: 71
Birth Year: abt 1849
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1920: Bluefield Ward 2, Mercer, West Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Hester A Christian
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
Home Owned: Own
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Household Members:
Robert B Christian 71
Hester A Christian 62
Buried:
Grave location and tombstone photo:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=christian&GSiman=1&GScid=1611564&GRid=97587439&
Died:
West Virginia Death Certificate
http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=2187266&Type=Death
Robert married Hester A. Williams 27 Dec 1893, Tazewell Co. VA. Hester was born 20 Jun 1857, Roanoke, VA; died 13 Nov 1951, Bluefield, Mercer Co. WV; was buried , Monte Vista Park Cemetery Bluefield Mercer Co. WV. [Group Sheet]
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3. | Hester A. Williams was born 20 Jun 1857, Roanoke, VA; died 13 Nov 1951, Bluefield, Mercer Co. WV; was buried , Monte Vista Park Cemetery Bluefield Mercer Co. WV. Notes:
CENSUS RECORDS
1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Hester A Christian
Age: 42
Birth Date: Jun 1857
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1900: Bluefield, Mercer, West Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: R B Christian
Marriage Year: 1894
Years Married: 6
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother: number of living children: 2
Mother: How many children: 2
Household Members:
R B Christian 52
Hester A Christian 42
Robt H Christian 5
Raymond D Christian 2
Household Members:
R B Christian 52
Hester A Christian 42
Robt H Christian 5
Raymond D Christian 2
Virginia Altizer 26 [stepdaughter]
Cain Christian 21 [stepson]
1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Hester A Christian
Age in 1910: 53
Birth Year: abt 1857
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1910: Bluefield Ward 2, Mercer, West Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Robert B Christian
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
Household Members:
Robert B Christian 62
Hester A Christian 53
Herman R Christian 16
Ray D Christian 13
1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Hester A Christian
Age: 62
Birth Year: abt 1858
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1920: Bluefield Ward 2, Mercer, West Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Robert B Christian
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Household Members:
Robert B Christian 71
Hester A Christian 62
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Hester Christrian [Christian]
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1858
Birthplace: Virginia
Race: White
Home in 1930: Bluefield, Mercer, West Virginia
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: R B Christian
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
Household Members:
R B Christian 82
Hester Christrian 72
1940 United States Federal Census
Name: Hester Christien [Christian]
Age: 82
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Virginia
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Mother
Home in 1940: Bluefield, Mercer, West Virginia
Street: Fourth Street
House Number: 347
Inferred Residence in 1935: Bluefield, Mercer, West Virginia
Residence in 1935: Same House
Resident on farm in 1935: No
Highest Grade Completed: High School, 2nd year
Household Members:
Name Age
Ray D Christian 42
Ethel L Christian 42
William Christian 20
Bobby Christian 13
Hester Christian 82
Buried:
Grave location:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=christian&GSiman=1&GScid=1611564&GRid=97587964&
Died:
West Virginia Death Certificate
http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view.aspx?Id=47030&Type=Death
Notes:
Married:
Virginia, Marriages, 1785-1940
Name: Robert B. Christian
Birth Date: 1848
Birthplace: , Tazewell, Va
Age: 45
Spouse's Name: Hester A. Williams
Spouse's Birth Date: 1858
Spouse's Birthplace: , Pulaski, Va
Spouse's Age: 35
Event Date: 27 Dec 1893
Event Place: Tazewell, Virginia
Father's Name: Thos. S.
Mother's Name: Annie
Spouse's Father's Name: A. L.
Spouse's Mother's Name: Sarah A.
Race: White
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Race: White
Spouse's Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01695-4
System Origin: Virginia-EASy
GS Film number: 34214
Reference ID: Page 108 Line 201
Children:
- Cain CHRISTIAN was born Mar 1879.
- 1. Robert Herman CHRISTIAN was born 23 Sep 1894, Harman, Tazewell Co. VA; died 15 Jan 1970, Brooklyn, Kings Co. NY; was buried , Long Island National Cemetery, Farmingdale, Suffolk Co. NY .
- Ramond Drexel CHRISTIAN was born 08 Jan 1898, Mercer Co. WV; died 27 Jun 1969, Bluefield, Mercer Co. WV; was buried , Monte Vista Park Cemetery Bluefield Mercer Co. WV.
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Generation: 3
4. | Thomas Scaggs CHRISTIAN was born 2 Oct 1813, Sinking Waters, Tazewell Co. VA (son of Thomas Bailey CHRISTIAN and Louisa HARMAN); died 28 May 1891, Claypool Branch, Tazewell Co. VA. Other Events:
- _UID: AD97A8231615484E9D5A60783FC158D8CFDA
Notes:
He was a minister, performed many marriages in Tazewell Co Va, especially for family members.
CENSUS RECORDS
1850 United States Federal Census
Name: Thos S Christian [Thomas Skaggs Christian]
Age: 35
Birth Year: abt 1815
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1850: Western District, Tazewell, Virginia
Gender: Male
Value of Real Estate: $1000
Household Members:
Thos S Christian 35
Anna Christian 34
Lilly Christian 9
Polly Christian 7
Thos Christian 5
Robbin Christian 3
1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas S Christian
[Thomas S Christian]
Age in 1860: 46
Birth Year: abt 1814
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1860: Western District, Tazewell, Virginia
Gender: Male
Post Office: Baptist Valley
Value of real estate: $300, personal property $270
Household Members:
Thomas S Christian 46
Ann Christian 46
Thomas Christian 14
Robert Christian 12
Hanah Christian 10
Jackson Christian 9
George Christian 4
Katharine Christian 1
Susan Altizer 74
1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Thos S Christian
Age in 1870: 50
Birth Year: abt 1820
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1870: Maiden Spring, Tazewell, Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Male
Post Office: Knob
Household Members:
Thos S Christian 50
Annie Christian 55
Jackson Christian 18
George C Christian 14
Catherine Christian 11
1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas S. Christian
Age: 66
Birth Year: abt 1814
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1880: Maiden Spring, Tazewell, Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Ann Eliza Christian
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
MISCELLANEOUS DOCUMENTS
Tazewell County Churches: 1860. Deed Book 13, p. 164.
Hugh S. Bailey conveyed to Thomas S. Christian, William Altizer and Robert McGlothlin, "Trustees of a meeting house built on the land that said Bailey bought of Alexander Christian." Said lot contains one acre. Beginning at a white oak a corner of Hugh Bailey, on the east line, thence East thirteen poles to a chestnut oak, thence N.W. 13 poles to a poplar, thence 13 poles to a chestnut tree, thence S. 13 poles to the beginning." (Vol. 1, p. 312)
LAND GRANTS
Thomas S. Christian - 1 Mar 1847
Tazewell County
32 a. On the Belsher ridge of Indian Creek a branch of Clinch River
Grants No. 98, p. 498
Thomas S. Christian - 1 Mar 1847
Tazewell County
141 a. On the Belsher spur the waters of Indian Creek a branch of Clinch River
Grants No. 98, p. 499
Thomas S. Christian - 1 Mar 1847
Tazewell County
175 a. On the Belsher ridge
Grants No. 98, p. 500
Thomas S. Christian - 1 Mar 1847
Tazewell County
66 a. On the waters of Indian Creek
Grants No. 98, p. 501
Thomas S. Christian - 1 Oct 1849
Tazewell County
214 a. On dividing ridge between Grassy Spring fork of Indian Creek and Left hand fork of Beech fork of Dry fork
Grants No. 102, p. 214
Thomas S. Christian - 1 Oct 1850
Tazewell County
266 a. On the Belsher ridge
Grants No. 104, p. 35
Thomas married Anna Elizabeth ALTIZER 23 Oct 1836, Tazewell Co VA. Anna (daughter of David Riley ALTIZER and Susan SLUSHER) was born Abt 1814, Tazewell Co VA; died Aft 1880, Tazewell Co. VA. [Group Sheet]
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5. | Anna Elizabeth ALTIZER was born Abt 1814, Tazewell Co VA (daughter of David Riley ALTIZER and Susan SLUSHER); died Aft 1880, Tazewell Co. VA. Other Events:
- _UID: C8FAF6FB7954409193A39185DBB486D789B1
Notes:
CENSUS RECORDS
1850 United States Federal Census
Name: Anna Christian
Age: 34
Birth Year: abt 1816
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1850: Western District, Tazewell, Virginia
Gender: Female [in household of Thomas Skaggs Christian]
1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Anna Christian
Age in 1860: 46
Birth Year: abt 1814
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1860: Western District, Tazewell, Virginia
Gender: Female [in household of Thomas Skaggs Christian]
Post Office: Baptist Valley
1870 United States Federal Census
Name: Annie Christian
Age in 1870: 55
Birth Year: abt 1815
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1870: Maiden Spring, Tazewell, Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Female [in household of Thomas Skaggs Christian]
Post Office: Knob
1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Ann Eliza Christian
Age: 66
Birth Year: abt 1814
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1880: Maiden Spring, Tazewell, Virginia
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Thomas S. Christian
Father's Birthplace: Virginia
Mother's Birthplace: Virginia
Occupation: Keeping House
Notes:
Married:
Virginia Marriages, 1785-1940
Groom's Name: Thomas Christian
Bride's Name: Anna Altizer
Marriage Date: 23 Oct 1836
Marriage Place: Tazewell, Virginia
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01695-4
System Origin: Virginia-EASy
Source Film Number: 34214
Reference Number: Page 132
Children:
- Susan CHRISTIAN was born Abt 1837, Tazewell Co. VA; died Abt 1850, Tazewell Co. VA.
- Lilly CHRISTIAN was born Abt 1839, Tazewell Co. VA; died Abt 1890, Tazewell Co. VA.
- Unknown CHRISTIAN was born Abt 1840; died Abt 1850.
- Mary (Polly) CHRISTIAN was born Abt 1843, Tazewell Co. VA; died Oct 1858, Indian Creek, Tazewell Co. VA.
- Thomas Christian CHRISTIAN was born 18 Oct 1845, Tazewell Co VA; died 21 May 1920, Bandy, Tazewell Co. VA; was buried , Christian Cemetery, Cedar Bluff, Tazewell Co. VA.
- 2. Robert B. (Robin) CHRISTIAN was born 03 Mar 1848, Tazewell Co. VA; died 05 Aug 1930, Bluefield, Mercer Co. WV; was buried , Monte Vista Park Cemetery Bluefield Mercer Co. WV.
- Julia CHRISTIAN was born 1849, Tazewell Co. VA.
- Hannah CHRISTIAN was born Jul 1850, Tazewell Co. VA.
- Mastin CHRISTIAN was born Feb 1850, Tazewell Co. VA.
- Jackson Riley CHRISTIAN was born Aug 1852, Tazewell Co. VA; died 12 May 1929, Buchanan Co. VA; was buried , Harlan Blankenship Cemetery, Blackey, Buchanan Co, VA.
- George C. CHRISTIAN was born 6 Mar 1856, Tazewell Co. VA.
- Mary CHRISTIAN was born ca Sep 1858, Indian Creek, Tazewell Co. VA; died Oct 1858, Indian Creek, Tazewell Co. VA.
- Catherine CHRISTIAN was born Abt 1859.
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Generation: 4
8. | Thomas Bailey CHRISTIAN was born 15 Mar 1770, Botetourt Co. VA (son of Thomas Mastin and Agnes); died Dec 1854, Tazewell Co VA. Other Events:
- _UID: 1B2F7D19EF3A4A6AAA5034573786D67E53DF
Notes:
THOMAS BAILEY CHRISTIAN WAS NOT A DESCENDANT OF CHIEF CORNSTALK.
We know Thomas Bailey Christian (TBC) was orphaned and raised by Capt. Thomas Mastin, Sumner Co. TN. His parentage is the subject of much dispute among Christian researchers. One group says that Thomas Bailey Christian is the grandson of Chief Cornstalk and his father was Ellinipsico. Another group puts his parents as Nathaniel and Jane Christian with his ancestry going to the Isle of Man.
DNA studies are underway of several Christian descendants. The initial result shows no Native American ancestry, but rather European and Scandinavian, indicating the Isle of Man connection.
Kennith Simpson has been the leader in getting clarity the question of Christian DNA and Native American ancestry and of finding out more about Thomas Bailey Christian and Thoma Mastin. Kennith is a direct descendant of TBC on the "wrong side of the sheets" as his ancestor, Addison Christian, fathered a child out of wedlock.
Kennith A. Simpson > son of Addison D. Simpson > son of
Jerry Mastin Simpson > son of John Walden Simpson > son of
Elizabeth Simpson and Unknown Father. [Notice how Christan names like Mastin and Addison are used in his Simpson family.]
DNA, death certificate, and research indicates that the father was Addison "Attie" Bailey Christian > son of
Mastin Harman "Shootekitehl" Christian > son of Thomas Bailey Christian.
Kennith has written extensively about DNA testing and his test results on the Rootsweb Christian message board.
THOMAS BAILEY CHRISTIAN WAS NOT NATIVE AMERICAN
"I am matched with Nathaniel Christian by DNA Y-Chromosome,both via Y-Search and Ancestry.Com, handed down from father to son etc. My Y-Search DNA match is with Nathaniel Christian from the G. Payne family tree. My Ancestry.Com matches me up with Nathaniel J. Christian from the Fred Christian DNA and in the Christian Family Tree.
Posted: 20 Sep 2012 7:00PM GMT by Kennith Simpson on Rootsweb Christian Family message board.
"It does appear that my assumptions are correct in that Addison "Attie" Bailey Christian was not Native American. If in fact Addison Christian was the grandson of Thomas Bailey "Cornstalk" Christian, then TBC was not the son of Elinipsico or Chief Cornstalk since the Y-DNA would have been handed down from father to son to grandson etc. However this does indicate that Thomas Bailey Kumskaka Christian Cornstalk was not NA.
We both share the same Haplogroup R1B which is of European and West Asia ancestry. Native Americans are not in the R1B Haplogroup.
While this does not show conclusive evidence that Addison "Attie" Bailey Chritian was my great, great, grandfather it does show that who ever it was, was a member of his family. My only conclusive evidence is of Course the Death Certificate naming Attie Christian as the father.
What the Y-DNA test and the BETA Ethnicity test has been able to conclude is that I am descended from the Christian family, Tazewell Virginia and that there is no Native American blood in the male lines. This does not rule out the possibility of NA blood in the maternal or female lines."
Posted: 31 Jan 2013 3:07 AM GMT by Kennith Simpson on Rootsweb Christian Family message board.
FINAL CONFIRMATION: THOMAS BAILEY CHRISTIAN WAS NOT NATIVE AMERICAN
Kennith Simpson took a second DNA test form 23 and Me to confirm what Ancestry's test had indicated. Here are the results:
Today I received my DNA test results back from 23 andMe. The test results confirm that there is no Native American DNA in my blood line on either side. Therefore any Native American ancestry in my family would only be possible if it is by marriage and not by actual blood line. Both ancestry.com and 23 and Me stipulate 0% NA DNA results in all of my tests. I am still waiting on the results for DNA matches and will keep everyone informed.
What this means in a nutshell is that any one related to Thomas Bailey Christian the reported adopted son of Thomas Mastin would not be NA on the paternal side. Any Native American ancestry could only come down through the maternal side. Since the BETA ancestry test included both the maternal and paternal side it would also mean that Mastin Harman Christian nor his wife Jane McKinster had NA DNA. It would also mean that Louisa Katherine Harman did not carry any NA DNA. Any children of these men who had different mothers could still carry NA DNA from their maternal side.
Me, my father Addison D. Simpson son of Jerry Mastin Simpson son of John Walden Simpson, son of Addison "Attie" Bailey Christian son of Mastin Christian, son of Thomas Bailey Christian, are not or were not of Native American Descent. Thomas Bailey Christian was not the son of Chief Cornstalk or his son Elinispisco, and his mother was not of NA ancestry either. BETA DNA testing would have shown any NA DNA on either side of Thomas Bailey Christian.
Posted: 26 Nov 2013 3:01 AM GMT by Kennith Simpson on Rootsweb Christian Family message board.
FINAL WORD: NO NATIVE AMERICAN DNA PERIOD
Just to let everyone know that I have gotten other DNA matches, this time through the 23 and Me DNA testing. This has opened up a new problem however. Both the ancestry.com and the 23 and Me DNA BETA tests are ethnicity tests and help individuals determine their ethnicity. These test are not gender specific such as the Y-DNA and Mitochondrial DNA tests. The BETA test includes DNA findings for virtually every member of the family. Thus far I have not had a single match that shows any Native American DNA in any line of the families, male or female.
I am now convinced beyond a doubt that Thomas Bailey Christian was not Native American nor was his mother. And most likely no relative was related via DNA to any Native American Tribe, but I do not rule out that some distant relatives may have been raised NA and considered themselves as such. Thus passing down from generation to generation their Native American Ancestry. I also believe that there are two kinds of Ancestry, that which is substantiated by DNA testing and passed down through our DNA and that which we associate with as being our ethnicity the group or heritage that we most commonly relate to.
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:55:51
OTHERS MALES CHRISTIAN RESULTS
"We now have three members of the TBC line that have taken at least one of the DNA test. Myself and Charlie have taken both the Y-DNA and the BETA DNA test. All tests show the same conclusion, NO NA DNA. Here is what is so good about this. You trace your line back to Thomas Scaggs Christian, Charlie goes back to Moses Christian and I go back to Mastin Christian. all are brothers, all are sons of Thomas Bailey Christian. Our big stumbling block now is connecting TBC Christian and Thomas Christian of Tazewell to the Christians of Charles City."
Posted: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:32:30 by Kennith Simpson on Rootsweb Christian Family message board.
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THOMAS BAILEY CHRISTIAN'S ANCESTRY GOES BACK TO THE ISLE OF MAN
From Kennith Simpson:
"I now have two verifiable matches from the BETA DNA test. One which does prove the connection with Charles City, Bedford Virginia area and one that does come back to Tazewell.
This is all good because the Tazewell connection is from DNA. Matching DNA is an indication that Thomas Bailey Christian was not Indian and that his origins most likely does go back to Charles City or to a member of that family.
The problem of narrowing it down is so difficult, because the Y-Chromosome DNA pertaining to the male line, pertains to all the male line. So, Thomas Bailey Christian would have the Christian DNA but he could have been born in Tazewell from a father or grandfather from Charles City. All male Christians from a single line would carry the same DNA but could come from many areas. The original Christian line that carries my DNA goes back to the Isle of Man and then to Scandinavia. some Christians of the same line can go back to Ireland, England or Scotland but be of the same origin. It depends on how far back you can trace your ancestors. Everyone that shares the same Y-Chromosome DNA will eventually end up at a single beginning. When I said I had yet to find any thing that will connect the Tazewell Christians with the Charles City Christians. I would prefer to have male Y-Chromosome DNA in order to make the connection but any DNA is better than none.
May Elizabeth Christian is a direct descendent of Thomas Bailey Christian and a DNA match does connect the two branches, Tazewell and Charles City.
This would be my first verifiable BETA match to Tazewell.
The Young family DNA results connect the Charles City Christians with me. Elizabeth is my first match back to the old country through the BETA testing as opposed to the Y-Chromosome test.
In a nutshell, Elizabeth is old Country England. Young connects me with Charles City May Christian connects me with the Tazewell branch. Both Young and May Christian share my DNA per BETA testing therefor the two branches do meet and are one."
Posted: 10 Jan 2013 2:28PM GMT by Kennith Simpson on Rootsweb Christian Family message board.
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AGNES BRANCH PEARLMAN, FOUNDER OF THE CHRISTIAN FAMILY CHRONICLES: THOMAS BAILEY CHRISTIAN IS NOT THE SON OF NATHANIEL CHRISTIAN AND JANE EWING
Agnes Branch Pearlman, long-time Christian Family researcher and publisher of the Christian Family Chronicles, presented the best research that Thomas Bailey Christian of Tazewell County, VA is NOT the son of Nathaniel Christian and Jane Ewing, Thomas Ewing Christian.
Below is her response to this question in a message posted December 31, 2000 at 10:19:53 on http://genforum.genealogy.com/christian/messages/1207.html.
Mrs. Pearlman died 21 May 2010.
I am posting her research and results so this misinformation will not be continued to be spread.
"Dear Linda and other Christian Cousins:
The following is being sent to all of you who received information that "Old Lewis' brother Nathaniel settled in Tazewell Co., VA . . ."
Not so! Or at least I have never seen any evidence that would substantiate such a move. Indeed, I have written numerous letters within the last year showing that Nathaniel Christian's son Thomas was not the one who settled in Tazewell Co., VA. Where on earth is all this erroneous and dubious information coming from?
Thomas Christian, progenitor of Tazewell Co., VA, was born about 1770?a boy of only 9 years of age when Nathaniel Christian's estate was settled in Montgomery Co., VA. A 9-year-old boy would have been too young to have served as security of his father's estate. Nathaniel Christian's son.
Thomas, born about 1750-57, was one of the securities of Nathaniel's estate (along with Thomas' brother-in-law William Boydston); and, of course, as a 22 to 29-year-old was quite old enough to serve in such a capacity.
Nathaniel's son Thomas was living in Cocke Co., TN, in 1830 at the same time the other Thomas was living in Tazewell Co., VA. The U. S. census as well as other records document their presence and approximate ages. It is my guess that because, as court records reveal, Thomas of Tazewell was "an orphan," someone simply assumed that he must have been Nathaniel's son, but that simply was not the case.
As for Nathaniel Christian: Following are a few documented events of his life:
Nathaniel was born between 1723-1733 since he was named as underaged son in 23 October 1743 Goochland Co., VA, will of father, Thomas Christian.
Nathaniel married Jane (Ewing?) about 1747.
Nathaniel's daughter Elizabeth Christian was born 1748.
Nathaniel's son Thomas Christian was born 1750-57.
Nathaniel was listed as tithe in Lunenburg Co., VA, in 1752 as was his brother Thomas.
Nathaniel purchased 175 acres (of 225) on Cub Creek in Lunenburg Co., VA, 1 July 1754. Brother Thomas was witness to the purchase..
Bedford Co., VA, was formed from part of Albemarle and Lunenburg 1753-4.
Brother Thomas in Bedford Co., VA, by 25 November 1760.
Nathaniel's son Isham was born about 1760.
Nathaniel sold 175 acres on Cub Creek of Lunenburg Co., VA, 12 March 1762 with brother Thomas as witness.
Nathaniel made entry of 400 acres in Bedford Co., VA, lower side south of Blackwater on Hastie's & Smith's lines beginning at Irwin's corner red oak under Smith's Mountain 28 February 1763.
Nathaniel's son Anthony was born about 1765.
Pittsylvania formed from Halifax adjacent Bedford 1766-7; county boundaries in state of flux for several years.
Nathaniel was on list of tithables in Pittsylvania 1767.
Nathaniel attended Bedford Co., VA, court in August 1768 (28 miles from home).
Nathaniel entered 400 acres Poison Fork of Bull Run in Bedford Co., VA, adjacent his own lines & Swanson's 4 April 1769.
Nathaniel's daughter Drucilla was born about 1769.
Brother Thomas allowed 30 miles to Bedford Co., VA, Courthouse March 1771.
Nathaniel living in Pittsylvania Co., VA, 22 July 1773
[Note: Nathaniel's home location in Pittsylvania Co., VA, straddled Bedford Co., VA, near where his brother Thomas lived on Staunton River in Bedford.]
Nathaniel was assigned 400 acres on East River below Five-Mile Fork, 3 Miles from Mouth in Montgomery Co., VA, by James Adair about 1777.
Daughter Elizabeth married William Boydston 1777 in Montgomery Co., VA.
In 1777/1778 Nathaniel Christian and William Boydston swore allegiance to Militia in Montgomery Co., VA.
Sometime after 1777 and before November 1781, Nathaniel's brother Thomas died, apparently in Bedford Co., VA.
Nathaniel died intestate and estate was administered in Montgomery Co., VA, 2 March 1779. Widow Jane was named as administrator with son Thomas and son-in-law William Boydston as security.
As heir under laws of primogenitor, eldest son Thomas inherited 400 acres on East River in Montgomery Co., VA, which he assigned to brothers Isham and Anthony Christian 3 April 1786.
By 18 September 1799 Nathaniel's son Thomas Christian was of Cocke Co., TN
One final comment: I believe that the Thomas Christian of Tazewell Co., VA, was probably related in some way to this family; however, I do not have any documentation that proves such a connection. Was he perhaps a son of David Christian, another son named in the 1743 will of Thomas Christian?
I welcome your input and evaluation of the above information.
Agnes Branch Pearlman"
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THERE MAY BE A NATIVE AMERICAN CONNECTION THROUGH THE WOMEN WHO MARRIED INTO THE CHRISTIAN FAMILY
The lack of connection to this Christian line has provided credence to an oral tradition handed down through several branches of Thomas Bailey Christian's descendants. So far there have been no Native American DNA from Thomas Bailey Christian's Y-DNA (Male line) from his descendants who have been tested through Ancestry.com.
HOWEVER, Native American ancestry most likely was from MATERNAL lines who married into this Christian family, especially the Skaggs, Whitt, and Lester families. There is no doubt of contact with Native American culture through the long hunter ancestry of the Whitt, Skaggs, and Harman men. With these two influences, TBS and his children may have been given Native American names. TBCs' Native American name was "Kumskaka." Are these names accurate? Are they Cherokee or Shawnee in origin? Who are the sources for these names?
I have made an editorial decision to keep these names rather than delete them because of the maternal lines as well as the cultural contacts.
There is a very active Yahoo group discussing this ancestry at http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/nikitie/conversations/messages.
According to James Red Wolf, after Chief Cornstalk and Ellinipsico were murdered at Point Pleasant. Ellinipsico's four children including his son Thomas Bailey were adopted by the Long Hunters. It now appears that TBC was not his son, but the other three may have been his children. Whatever the reason or circumstance, they came under the care or guardianship of Thomas Mastin and others.
There is a lot of discussion on the Christian family forums on Rootsweb, Ancestry, and Genealogy.com about the possible parentage of Thomas Bailey Christian and Rachel Skaggs.
Here is some of the discussion threads:
http://www.genforum.familytreemaker.com/christian/messages/2898.html
You can also search for more discussion at http://www.genforum.familytreemaker.com/christian/
There has been no definitive proof on this, although Mr. Red Wolf alludes to "proof" in the Virginia State Archives, but has not shared any proof beyond oral history from one part of the Christian and Skaggs families. His family tree is available at
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=adkinsfam&id=I19526
Other source:
http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Thomas_Christian_%2813%29
NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE DISCOUNTED
Tales of Native American heritage were passed down to his descendants. His great-grandchild Sallie Christian Charles, grandaughter of Moses Bailey Christian, and daughter of John Christian and Clemmie Harman, applied to the Eastern Cherokee in 1908. Application #10464. In her application she spells his name "Mose." Her application was rejected.
For more information about Cherokee genealogy, check out http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com. The following is from her article about Cherokee Wannabes. Since so much has been written about Moses' father, Thomas Bailey Christan, having Native American heritage, which has NOT been borne out by Y-DNA results or autosomal DNA results by any of his descendants.
This site has excellent articles on how to prove Cherokee ancestry. http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2011/06/fortune-hunters-guion-miller-roll-and.html#comment-form
The Guion Miller Roll is a list of Eastern Cherokee Indians who applied for compensation because of a 1906 lawsuit, and judgment in the tribe's favor in the United States Court of Claims on May 28, 1906, for them. This resulted in the appropriation of $1 million to the Tribe's eligible individuals and families. Newspapers were full of announcements that the Cherokees and/or Cherokee heirs would be receiving money anywhere from $5,000,000 to $11,000,000. Many times it was not made clear this was money for nearly the entire tribe but instead gave the impression that it was for specific families.
To be approved for funds the individual must have:
1. Been alive as of May 28, 1906
2. Established that he/she was a member or descendants of a person that had been included in the forced removal to Indian Territory, known as the Ross Party.
3. Not been affiliated with a tribe other than the Cherokee
4. Been members of the Eastern Cherokee tribe at the time of the treaties of 1835,1836, and 1845 between the United States and Eastern Cherokee.
There were 45,857 applications filed for about 900,000 claimants. 30,254 of those claimants were entitled to share in the funds. This means nearly 2/3 of all claimants were NOT entitled and therefore rejected.
A common assumption of those who descend from people who were rejected on the Miller Roll is that their ancestors were Cherokee, but they just couldn't prove it at that time. These families were usually always listed as white in vital records and were never listed in the Cherokee records or on any Cherokee rolls. They simply had no documentation or proof.
People applied for the Miller Roll who had never heard they were Cherokee before the money or land topic came up. They were suddenly informed by someone that they were Cherokee or related to a specific family and should apply. There were families who had heard they were Indian or "kin" to them, so they applied even though they had never heard what tribe of Indians they might be "kin" to. There were people who were notified by "claim agents" and lawyers that they were entitled to lots of money so they applied. There were people who were told they would be receiving both land and money, so they applied. There were people who applied because they thought they were enrolling in the Eastern Cherokee tribe and then would be entitled to land and money.
Many of the rejected claimants, for one reason or another, filed a claim believing they were going to come into money. One has to be careful of not basing claim to Cherokee ancestry based on a rejected claim from the Miller Roll. Though these applications often offer a lot of genealogical information, they don't necessarily offer any proof of Cherokee ancestry.
RECORDS ON THOMAS BAILEY CHRISTIAN
Source: "Reed and Related Families of Tazewell County, Virginia and McDowell County, West Virginia", by Juanita S Halstead.
From various records extant today, we have found that Thomas Christian was orphaned and raised by Major Thomas Mastin. We do know that he appears in Tazewell County
records as early as 1806, and that he owned several tracts of land, making his home on the Sinking Waters in that county. There is a case on record in Augusta County, VA in which Thomas Christian had a suit against John Wray over this land on the Sinking Waters of Tazewell County.
LAND RECORDS
Land Grants
Thomas Christian - 21 Feb 1785
Montgomery County
255 a. On Brush Creek, a branch of Bluestone the waters of New River
Grants No. N, p. 696 [This could be Thomas (13) or Thomas (18) depending on where the Montgomery County border fell. More research needed.]
Record of the Taxes in Sumner County for the Year 1792
Thomas Christian, 1 poll, tax 1 pound. Next household is Thomas Mastin.
Chalkley's Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish there is a lawsuit "Thomas Christian vs. Wray" 23 Jul 1803 which in a nutshell states Joseph Wray obtained certificate by right of settlment in Washington (afterwards Russell) now Tazewell Co. Joseph d. intestate, leaving son John Wray heir-at-law. John Wray sold a piece of land twice - first to Thomas Christian, of Sumner Co, territory south of the Ohio, by deed dated 26 Sep 1794 and then sold it a second time to Craven Belsha who bribed him......it states Thomas Christian was an orphan. Thomas Christian won the case.
Thomas Christian - 17 Jun 1824
Tazewell County
40 a. On Indian Creek
Grants No. 73, p. 180
Thomas Christian - 17 Jun 1824
Tazewell County
120 a. On Indian Creek
Grants No. 73, p. 192
Thomas Christian - 6 Sept 1826
Tazewell County
15 a. On Tug River and lower end of his land
Grants No. 75, p. 274
Thomas Christian - 10 Jul 1826
Tazewell County
58 a. On the Tug fork of Sandy River
Grants No. 78, p. 228
Thomas Christian - 21 Mar 1836
Tazewell County
77 a. At the mouth of Crain (sic) Creek
Grants No. 85, p. 403
Thomas Christian - 1 May 1855
(of David)
Tazewell County
392 a. On Left hand fork of Indian Creek of Clinch
Grants No. 111, p. 180
Thomas B. Christian - 1 Jun 1856
Tazewell County
140 a. On a ridge dividing waters of Indian Creek from Middle Creek
Grants No. 112, p. 547
CENSUS RECORDS
1820 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas Christian
Home in 1820 (City, County, State): Tazewell, Virginia
Enumeration Date: August 7, 1820
Free White Persons - Males - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 10 thru 15: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 18: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 16 thru 25: 2
Free White Persons - Males - 45 and over: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 10: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 45 and over : 1
Number of Persons - Engaged in Agriculture: 3
Free White Persons - Under 16: 4
Free White Persons - Over 25: 2
Total Free White Persons: 8
Total All Persons - White, Slaves, Colored, Other: 8
1830 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas Christian
Home in 1830 (City, County, State): Tazewell, Virginia
Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 50 thru 59: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 5: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 5 thru 9: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 2
Free White Persons - Females - 30 thru 39: 2
Free White Persons - Under 20: 7
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 10
1840 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas Christian
Home in 1840 (City, County, State): Tazewell, Virginia
Free White Persons - Males - Under 5: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 5 thru 9: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 20 thru 29: 1
Free White Persons - Males - 60 thru 69: 1
Free White Persons - Females - Under 5: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 5 thru 9: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 15 thru 19: 1
Free White Persons - Females - 30 thru 39: 1
Persons Employed in Agriculture: 2
No. White Persons over 20 Who Cannot Read and Write: 2
Free White Persons - Under 20: 5
Free White Persons - 20 thru 49: 2
Total Free White Persons: 8
Total All Persons - Free White, Free Colored, Slaves: 8
1850 United States Federal Census
Name: Thos Christian
Age: 80
Birth Year: abt 1770
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1850: Western District, Tazewell, Virginia
Gender: Male
Family Number: 1170
Household Members:
Thos Christian 80
Mary Christian 40
Mathias Christian 16
George Christian 14
Susana Christian 13
Sally Christian 10
Letty Christian 8
Birth:
Land is now part of Tazewell Co. VA
Occupation:
millwright
Died:
Another source for DOD
Name: Thomas Christian
Death Date: Dec 1852
City: Tazewell
State: VA
Edmund West, comp.. Family Data Collection - Deaths [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2001.
The Family Data Collection - Deaths database was created while gathering genealogical data for use in the study of human genetics and disease.
Thomas married Louisa HARMAN 04 Jun 1793, Wythe Co. VA. Louisa (daughter of Mathias (Tice or Tias) HARMAN, Sr. and Lydia SKAGGS) was born 1776, Strasburg, Orange Co. VA; died 1829, Tazewell Co. VA. [Group Sheet]
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9. | Louisa HARMAN was born 1776, Strasburg, Orange Co. VA (daughter of Mathias (Tice or Tias) HARMAN, Sr. and Lydia SKAGGS); died 1829, Tazewell Co. VA. Other Events:
- _UID: FD53EAC4E21E407DB4F577989D94229E645B
Notes:
"Alleghaney Co (VA) Heritage", Hildreth Smith article, page 192.
Louisa Harman married Thomas B. Christian
Notes:
Married:
U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900
Name: Thomas Christian
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1770
Spouse Name: Louisa Harman
Spouse Birth Year: 1772
Marriage State: VA
Number Pages: 1
Children:
- Mastin Harman CHRISTIAN was born 8 Apr 1794, Wythe Co. VA; died 28 Feb 1853, Sinking Waters, Tazewell Co VA.
- Moses Bailey CHRISTIAN was born 13 May 1795, Wythe Co. VA; died 29 May 1855, Indian Creek, Tazewell Co. VA.
- James CHRISTIAN was born Abt 1795, Wythe Co. VA; died Abt 1823, Tazewell Co VA.
- Ruth CHRISTIAN was born Abt 1797, Wythe Co. VA; died Bef Dec 1854, Tazewell Co. VA.
- David CHRISTIAN was born Abt 1802, Sinking Waters, Tazewell Co. VA; died 2 Mar 1861, Sinking Waters, Tazewell Co VA.
- John CHRISTIAN was born 1804, Sinking Waters, Tazewell Co. VA; died Bef 1870, Buchanan Co. VA.
- Daniel CHRISTIAN was born Abt 1807, Sinking Waters, Tazewell Co. VA; died 21 Dec 1884, Tazewell Co VA.
- Nancy Jane CHRISTIAN was born 3 Oct 1812, Sinking Waters, Tazewell Co. VA; died 2 Dec 1887, Avondale, McDowell Co., WV; was buried , In a hillside cemetery overlooking the site of the old Reed homestead on Crane Creek in McDowell Co., WVA.
- 4. Thomas Scaggs CHRISTIAN was born 2 Oct 1813, Sinking Waters, Tazewell Co. VA; died 28 May 1891, Claypool Branch, Tazewell Co. VA.
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10. | David Riley ALTIZER was born 1784, Montgomery Co. VA (son of Emera ALTIZER and Anna Marie Pitzer); died 26 Sep 1854, Tazewell Co VA. Other Events:
- _UID: 09748DE492BA419AB4859BD05DE69DB8517D
Notes:
Tazewell Co. Death Register, page 7, line 307, shows David (Reilly) Altizer died 26 Sept 1854 at Dividing Ridge of dropsy. 2nd page states unknown parentage, married, farmer, reported by son-in-law John Christian.
David married Susan SLUSHER Abt 1809, Montgomery Co. VA. Susan (daughter of Christopher Schlosser and Eva Jane Hancock) was born Abt 1786, Maryland; died Aft 1860, Tazewell Co. VA. [Group Sheet]
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11. | Susan SLUSHER was born Abt 1786, Maryland (daughter of Christopher Schlosser and Eva Jane Hancock); died Aft 1860, Tazewell Co. VA. Other Events:
- _UID: E039BA448A4D4069B4E59A2382AD036C8B9E
Notes:
Info on her parents are from the Pane-Joyce Genealogy
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/gen/report/rr24/rr24_086.html#P52967
However, the Altizer Family site has her last name as possibly Sadler.
http://www.altizerfamily.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I1623&tree=tree1
Some other sources have her listed as Susan Slusher Brewster. So it is not confirmed if she is descended from or even related to the Slusher family of Floyd Co. VA who are the descendants of Christopher Slusher. So proceed with caution in using this information on her possible parentage as there is no documentation or proof at this point.
Children:
- Catherine (Katy) ALTIZER was born Jan 1808, Floyd Co. VA.
- Mary [Polly] C. ALTIZER was born 09 Nov 1815, Montgomery Co. VA; died 17 Jun 1894, Tazewell Co. VA; was buried , Wingo Family Cemetery Bandy Tazewell Co. VA.
- 5. Anna Elizabeth ALTIZER was born Abt 1814, Tazewell Co VA; died Aft 1880, Tazewell Co. VA.
- William A. ALTIZER was born 1819, Montgomery Co. VA; died 1892, Harman, Tazewell Co, VA.
- Lillie ALTIZER was born ca 1823, Tazewell Co. VA.
- Sarah ALTIZER was born ca 1823, Tazewell Co. VA; died 20 Jun 1901, Buchanan Co. VA.
- John A. ALTIZER was born ca 1825, Tazewell Co. VA; died 18 Mar 1914, Davy, McDowell Co. WV.
- David Riley, Jr. ALTIZER was born 17 Aug 1828, Tazewell Co VA; died 20 Jun 1901, Cherokee, San Saba Co. TX; was buried , Cherokee Cemetery, Cherokee, San Saba Co. TX.
- Thomas Akers ALTIZER was born 20 Nov 1830, Tazewell Co. VA; died 07 Dec 1918, Earls Branch, Cliffield, Tazewell Co. VA; was buried , Thomas Altizer Cemetery, Baptist Valley, Tazewell Co. VA.
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